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Cups of Anxietea Podcast: Why Representation Matters

I recently had the pleasure of being the first guest speaker on the Cups of Anxietea podcast! I had such a great time speaking with Michelle and Autumn on Why Representation Matters, especially for the Asian diaspora and why I decided to create Asian diverse dolls at Joeydolls. We also talk about colorism, Asian stereotypes, being a mompreneur and why I think it’s so important to just follow your dreams!

Listen to: Why Representation Matters on Cups of Anxiety Podcast

Podcast Episode Transcript

Michelle & Autumn: [00:00:00] Hey. [00:00:00][0.0]

Michelle: [00:00:00] Welcome back to Cups of Anxiety. I’m your host, Michelle, and. [00:00:04][3.2]

Autumn: [00:00:04] I’m your other host, Autumn. [00:00:05][0.8]

Michelle: [00:00:05] Today, we have a special guest, Ms.. Samantha Ong. She is the creator and founder of Joeydolls, the first company to produce Asian diverse dolls. [00:00:16][10.7]

Autumn: [00:00:17] So, Samantha, we’d like to thank you for joining us on our podcast. What are you having for your drink today? [00:00:22][4.9]

Samantha: [00:00:23] Thanks for having me. I’m actually having a chamomile tea and I’m actually have been nervous. So this is actually hopefully calming down a little bit. [00:00:32][9.1]

Michelle: [00:00:33] Yes. That’s actually one of our favorite teas. [00:00:34][1.7]

Autumn: [00:00:35] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don’t mind with like a lot of sugar, but it’s pretty great. I wish we picked more sophisticated drinks because we’re having a brisk iced tea. Yes. So, so. [00:00:47][12.5]

Michelle: [00:00:49] So mass produced. [00:00:49][0.7]

Autumn: [00:00:50] Yes. We’re we’re having mass produced tea together. [00:00:53][2.7]

Michelle: [00:00:54] All right. Yeah. Because it’s hot or whatever. [00:00:57][3.3]

Autumn: [00:00:58] Oh, yeah, it is hot. Like today. You know, we basically just wanted to delve into why representation matters to you. You know, like, sink our teeth in deeper than surface level conversations of representation. [00:01:13][15.8]

Michelle: [00:01:15] So tell us more about yourself and your mission. [00:01:17][2.4]

Autumn: [00:01:18] Yes. [00:01:18][0.0]

Samantha: [00:01:19] Yeah. So, you know, why does representation matter to me? I think it really comes down to like my childhood. I actually I was born in Malaysia, but I grew up in Australia actually. So I make a little bit of the accent. It’s a little metal now. I’ve been living in Canada for 12 years now, but I may come out a little bit, but I grew up in Australia, was part of my life and growing up in the eighties and nineties in Australia is pretty, I’d say pretty white. And I just even to this day had the memories of being one of the only Asians in the classroom and thinking I remember, I still remember so vividly, like staring across the room at another classmate who is blond, blue eyed. And I think what I had. How did she get so lucky? Like, you know why? Like, why is she so pretty? Like, well, heck, why am I not as pretty as. Right. And I think it really comes down to like when I when I look through my photos, I see myself and I remember like looking at my Barbie dolls. And I did go back and look through my photos and playing with these blond haired, blue eyed dolls. I go, Oh, gosh, even to this day, it’s really hard to see someone that looks like us in the media in today’s because more and more studies these days that say that babies as young as like nine months old can and can see these traits like you can can actually see differences and how people look and actually see color and. [00:02:52][93.7]

Autumn: [00:02:52] Actually psychologically affects them, you know? [00:02:55][2.3]

Samantha: [00:02:55] Absolutely. Absolutely. And I just think to myself, like, had I seen myself represented how this could have affected my own self-esteem, my own self confidence. And, you know, to this day, I’ve come a long way and come along, had long journey. And I think going to university, I’ve been able to meet more Asians that, you know, look like me, that culture in the background. And I think, you know, I’ve come to really feel more pride about who I am as a person and where I’ve come from. But this all took time. Like I remember even saying to my dad, like, speak English, like why he’s thinking Chinese and all these things, because I really felt ashamed of my, you know, my culture and my background. And I really think that this really matters. And it’s so important for children to feel proud of who they are as a person and then coming into the world as adults and into society. [00:03:56][61.4]

Michelle: [00:03:57] Yes. [00:03:57][0.0]

Autumn: [00:03:59] You know, it’s interesting that you say all of that, because let me just say, I I feel like from what I see, you’ve grown into a very great woman now. But I know what you mean when you say, you know that if you had those tools earlier in your life, you would have been able to navigate this world better. And I get that. I get that. [00:04:21][21.9]

Michelle: [00:04:21] Yeah, because I can relate when you say like, I mean same thing for me. I used to play with white, blue eyed Barbie dolls. [00:04:26][5.3]

Autumn: [00:04:27] I never had an Asian doll, now that I think about it. [00:04:29][2.4]

Michelle: [00:04:30] And actually I did have an Asian doll, but it looked like a geisha, you know? So it was like like that’s not all that there is. [00:04:38][7.9]

Autumn: [00:04:39] No, I get what you mean because like, okay, this is like me personally. Like I would play with dolls because, you know, that’s what, like my mom would get me because I was a girl and stuff. But like, and all of these dolls, like, you know, they’re like really pretty. They’re rich, they have handbags and stuff like that. And I want to see a Asian doll, like, be a little. All boozy, you know, like high class. Why do they all dress like. [00:05:03][24.3]

Michelle: [00:05:04] Yes. And then what I love is that you actually have, like, different cultures or different ethnicities. I mean, in your dolls as well. [00:05:13][8.3]

Autumn: [00:05:13] They’re actually so cute. [00:05:14][0.8]

Michelle: [00:05:14] Yes. [00:05:14][0.0]

Samantha: [00:05:15] And you can. [00:05:16][0.7]

Michelle: [00:05:16] Might I add, they’re very accurate in their clothing as well. [00:05:19][3.0]

Samantha: [00:05:20] Yeah. And that’s like a huge importance because, you know, this idea really came about when I was, you know, 2020, sitting down, watching T.V.. Seeing the rise of Asian hate just in front of my eyes. And it was there sitting, watching the news with my daughter at the time. She was just one years old at the time and thinking and like the memories of my childhood and like reflecting upon like how even though it’s been a while since I was a young kid, but still when we still dealing with these issues and that I didn’t want her to have these same things grow up in the same way. And it was almost so scary like thinking, oh gosh, like if I am fearful, just, you know, even in Canada sitting, watching, you know, what was going on. And if I’m fearful, like, how does this make me feel as a parent for a young child? Right. And so that’s when I thought, like, I really want her to just be proud of who she is, have no fear of stepping outside the door, of, you know, being ashamed of how she looks. But I remember, you know, watching some videos like just online and even people calling other Asians like, oh, you’re a teen or you’re you Chinese like you dirty Chinese person. You brought COVID to America, to Canada, to Australia, all of that. And I just that’s when it really hit me that how important it is to really, truly celebrate Asian diversity, because we’re not just Chinese, we’re not just Japanese or Korean or just Asians in general, but so often lumped as just one giant, homogenized race. Right. And yeah, it just became so frustrating for me because I know that for my own my daughter, she I was born in Malaysia, so I’m culturally was born in Malaysia. But I also had the background as Chinese Chinese background so well and then my husband’s Korean. So she has these three kids to celebrate. [00:07:31][131.1]

Autumn: [00:07:32] So I have all the dolls. Yes. Yes. Which one? You want to identify us? [00:07:35][3.2]

Samantha: [00:07:36] Yeah. And yeah. And that’s exactly. I just don’t want her just to feel like, okay, I’m just Asian. Like, the there’s so much beauty in just like, you know, Chinese, Malaysian culture, Korean culture. And I recently put out a poll on our Instagram account, and I asked my followers, like, what cultures you relate to? And it was actually so beautiful to hear that the next generation is so incredibly diverse. We had three or four cultures in nature, and it was it was beautiful. And I think that it’s is so important to just, like, really celebrate these individual cultures and backgrounds rather than like sort of label us as all one in the same right other. [00:08:21][45.0]

Michelle: [00:08:22] And the other hand, I’m just borrowing Vietnamese. [00:08:23][1.9]

Autumn: [00:08:24] I don’t know. I’ll say boy and girl like I’m not. [00:08:27][2.8]

Michelle: [00:08:28] I don’t mean that. Like I meant like I’m just both of my parents are totally Vietnamese. [00:08:32][4.3]

Autumn: [00:08:32] Oh, yes. I mean. [00:08:33][0.4]

Michelle: [00:08:33] You’re a little spicy. You have like something something like. [00:08:36][2.4]

Autumn: [00:08:36] Oh, yeah, I’m like so ethnically identify as Vietnamese, but a lot of my family is Vietnamese, Chinese, Cambodian. So that’s there’s got to know what that made me. [00:08:47][11.4]

Michelle: [00:08:49] But yeah. No, that is sorry. [00:08:51][1.9]

Samantha: [00:08:52] Oh, sorry. I was just going to say, but even still like, you know, Vietnamese culture in itself, there’s so much to celebrate in Vietnamese culture, which I feel like. Now in America, in Canada, we just see, okay, just Asians, just in general. So I don’t see that as being boring at all. [00:09:10][18.9]

Autumn: [00:09:11] No, I didn’t. [00:09:12][0.5]

Samantha: [00:09:12] Mean it like that. [00:09:12][0.5]

Autumn: [00:09:13] She just don’t see myself as a cloud. But I. Let me just say, I know this sounds very small, but I love hearing from a non Vietnamese Asian person the appreciation and compliments to another Vietnamese person because I know that Asians being underrepresented. It sets a dangerous precedents for racism. And not only that, but, you know, Asian people, I think our community faces of a problem of not only being underrepresented, being underrepresented. I’m sorry I have such a struggle with that word, but we also face a problem of there’s so many different Asian ethnicities, but it’s like it’s like we low key like don’t like each other. Like, I hear all this and see all this, like East Asians, like Koreans and Japanese will like see like Southeast Asians or South Asian people as like inferior or weird. So it’s just kind of really nice to have like because I feel like, you know, the world constantly talks about people of color solidarity. But I feel like in our own community we need true Asian solidarity with each other to move forward, you know? [00:10:27][73.7]

Samantha: [00:10:28] Absolutely. Absolutely. And that’s exactly another reason why I created these dolls. And I made sure that the dolls had different skin tones. And my goal is for each individual culture, ethnicity, we have various skin tones to to represent them as well, because even recently I had put out a photo of our Vietnamese dong just playing around with some of the skin colors in our prototyping. And I didn’t really see beyond how people may see that that doll and in representing this culture hang around with that the different colors that we have just for prototyping purposes. And so I put out the photo and then I got a lot of feedback saying because it was a darker skin tone and in the Vietnamese doll actually and people were saying, you know, Vietnamese people aren’t of this skin color. And I think that is raises one of these issues that is really prevalent in Asian communities that people of darker skin tones are somehow inferior or not as worthy. Then, look, people have a lighter skin tone, and that’s something that I really hope that our dolls can try to educate and bring awareness to that let’s celebrate people of all different cultures because and that’s another thing that why I decided to do the Dolls is that when I was looking for dolls for my my daughter, you can find Asian dolls. They may not be that many, but you can find some. They’re always black haired white skin tone with, like I would say, funny looking eyes. Yes. And so and that’s something that I personally struggled with, even with my pregnancy. I was even told myself like, I hope that my daughter has the fair skin tone of my my husband. And so I just think that is is something that we face personally on, you know, on a daily basis and within our own community. So it’s something that I hope that we can do more education awareness with the children to to teach them that everyone of any skin tone of every culture should be celebrated and should feel worthy. [00:12:45][137.5]

Michelle: [00:12:46] Yes. I mean, we actually just recently filmed an episode about Asian beauty standards. [00:12:51][4.6]

Michelle: [00:12:52] Basically kind of goes over what we talked about about colorism. See, like with us, we or I personally said that like I grew up thinking I had to be super fair skinned and my aunts would always give me makeup that were like had some sort of like whitening cream in it or something like that. And I thought that was like the normal until I grew up and, you know, just was in Vietnamese friends. Like sometimes they would be darker and I’m like, Oh, that’s not normal. But I was conditioned to think that. And then lo and behold, like ten years later, I’m now married to a Vietnamese man who happens to be Tanner. So it’s like it’s like I got I definitely got humbled as I grew up about it. [00:13:38][46.5]

Autumn: [00:13:39] Yeah. Like I think that our community, you know, we face a lot of problems with, I guess, skin tone shaming from like white people. But we also but I also feel like in our own community and I feel like your dolls kind of are one of the things that would help with that if more like representation to the actual people. In our own community. You know, it would help basically have us not hate each other and judge each other for things like that. [00:14:10][30.9]

Michelle: [00:14:11] Also, I feel like it starts with children. [00:14:12][1.5]

Autumn: [00:14:13] It definitely does. [00:14:13][0.6]

Michelle: [00:14:14] Because, you know, I guess growing up, I understood that racist racism is taught. So, like, if if a kid’s being mean to you because of your skin color and or your race, it’s because they learn that from there. [00:14:26][12.5]

Autumn: [00:14:26] That’s not a reflection of you. Like a lot of kids, you know, they take criticism as, oh, my gosh, there’s something wrong with me. And not many kids are going to be like this person’s mean to me because they’re the problem. No, they’re usually like, wow, it’s cause I’m ugly because I’m Asian or whatever. Yeah. And let me just say, I appreciate y’all’s bravery with, you know, talking about how the conditioning happened, because I know a lot of people would be too afraid to say, you know, I would be too afraid to admit that they have played into the propaganda of colorism. And but I appreciate that you guys were able to say that and say, hey, I’ve grown from this and I want other kids to not feel the way that I felt. [00:15:21][54.5]

Michelle: [00:15:22] Yep. [00:15:22][0.0]

Samantha: [00:15:23] Yeah, that’s the thing. Yeah. And like, right now, I even presented the the sixth doll that we have to my daughter in all different skin tones. And I’m actually quite surprised she actually really love playing with I actually her favorite doll is the Indian and the Filipino doll. Yeah. And, and, and yeah. And I really think this will really help children that if they can see us playing with it, that they will, you know, people will feel more important that way. [00:15:58][36.0]

Autumn: [00:15:59] I’m sorry. I’m just imagining just a little a little Asian child playing with like all these the I’m sorry that I had my heart. [00:16:06][7.0]

Michelle: [00:16:07] Like, I know, I know. Your thing is coming up on Kickstarter, right? That’s right. When is that supposed to launch? [00:16:14][7.7]

Samantha: [00:16:16] Yeah. So we don’t exactly have an exact date at this point. Okay. Hoping to do it later this year. And I know a lot of people have been super excited and pushing us to to launch soon. However, don’t want to rush it. So right now we’re still trying to finalize the last few details on our Indian and our Koreans all wanted to make it just like you had said. You know, we tried to make sure that the the tire is as accurate as we can through, you know, through a children’s doll. You know, it’s still a children’s doll. So it’s kind of like all, you know, final details, but as much as we can. So that’s why I’ve just taken the extra couple of months to make sure that they’re as accurate as we can and that children will love them. But also then we also have to take them through like safety testing and all of that. And then when we’re ready, we’ll definitely put out an announcement there. But right now, we’re sort of encouraging everyone to just like sign up to our email list and then we can always email everyone when we’re ready to launch. [00:17:18][62.6]

Michelle: [00:17:19] Okay, perfect. Because I don’t have children yet and nor do I have all of my, you know, little cousins and everything. I keep calling them little, but my youngest cousin literally just turned 20. So but I, I would like to say I’m the kid at heart. I have a bunch of plushies, so I would totally like to. [00:17:36][17.5]

Autumn: [00:17:37] I can attest to that. [00:17:37][0.6]

Michelle: [00:17:39] I would totally love to purchase them whenever they’re available. I guess my next question or my next point I wanted to bring up is what would you like our audience and your audience to know from your story or what would you like them to know about you? [00:17:55][16.0]

Samantha: [00:17:55] Yeah, I know I talk a lot about like us, but really this company I’ve been building on my own, it really did just start with me and I’m really just a mom. I’m trying to make a difference in the world. And like, you know, you may think like, why did I decide to do dolls? And just at this point in time, I thought when I was looking for dolls, my own daughter, I just was so frustrated and I just couldn’t find anything that I felt comfortable with her playing with and that truly represented her. And at the time, I was just like telling my husband, Why is it so hard? Like, why can I find something that she can play with? And he was just like simply, Well, why don’t you just create one. [00:18:45][49.4]

Autumn: [00:18:46] And shout out? [00:18:48][1.5]

Samantha: [00:18:48] Yeah. And you know, I don’t know anything about toys. I don’t know anything about dolls and all of these. Like this has been a huge learning curve. However, I just wanted to go back a little bit. I actually went to university and I did a had a finance degree and then I hated it. And then I decided I wanted to just do wedding photography. And so I actually got my mind to it and I hustled and I built my business from scratch. And then I’ve been doing that for like nine years. And so this all really came about during COVID when my business was really shut down for two years. Basically, I couldn’t have any revenue. I didn’t really have anything going on other than just being a mom. And so I really just focused my energy. And I actually even though I didn’t have that much revenue during that time, I sort of started that blessing because I really did want to make an impact on the world. And during everything that was going on, I was just thinking like, how can I as an individual person make a difference? And I didn’t know how at that time. So when I came up with this idea, Oh really? My husband came up with this idea, I was just like, Let’s do it. Let’s try to make this work. Let’s build it from the ground up so that, you know, we can sort of fill this market gap. And, you know, I’ve been able to post a few things on Instagram and just seeing the feed, seeing and hearing the feedback from people who have come across our page, just knowing that it’s been so relatable to other people. But also I just I hope that other moms or just even other people can see my story and find inspiration in it and to follow their own dreams. So I really just want to provide an example for my own children because yes, I want them to be confident in who they are and love who they are as they are. But also all I really want for them in life is to just know that if you want something in life, you go do it. [00:20:55][126.8]

Michelle: [00:20:55] Yes. [00:20:55][0.0]

Autumn: [00:20:56] I love. Wow, I think this is nice because you actually answered a question that I was about to ask. And let me just say let let me just say that. So I guess in. I saw this when Tick Tock became a thing. I guess we were in our quarantine era of COVID. A lot of the ways I’ve seen, you know, the Asian community go about activism is which this isn’t a bad way to go about it. But, you know, a lot of Asian people start tech talks talking about activism, trying to teach people things. And I think that that’s like great and all. But like, when you walk us through, you know, your story and how you came to the conclusion of like dolls, it’s like I think it’s just one of the most creative ways that I’ve seen an Asian person go about trying to do change in the world or or, you know, do something that matters. Not that, you know, activism doesn’t matter. Not that making a video on Tik Tok to teach people doesn’t matter. But I like hearing this side of things because the world is already so freaking cruel, you know, to be able to give a child just a comforting toy that tells them that they are valid and beautiful, like we need that in our community. [00:22:25][88.7]

Samantha: [00:22:27] Yeah. And I think we really should be celebrating our differences. And like I came across this one quote, I’ll just read it to you. The differences between people need not act as barriers that would harm and drive us apart. Rather, these very differences among cultures and civilizations should be valued as manifestations of the richness of our shared creativity. And so this quote is actually by Buddhist philosopher and facilitator. And I think like this quote, just in a nutshell, is just really so on point in saying that we really should be celebrating us as a whole as we are instead of being like, you know, we should all be the same. We should, because all these differences make us so unique and special and makes it so, so well, so much more entertaining. Like, can you imagine if I entire world was just like one culture and we only had like one cuisine and like, how boring and exact. [00:23:31][64.4]

Autumn: [00:23:33] And with multiple Asian cultures, we have like multiple different like traditions and stuff, like people in every single episode of Cups of Anxiety, I always reference TikTok, so I am so I got to apologize. I don’t want to sound like a gen zero or whatever, but like so it was TikTok that I learned that we all joke about the whole, Oh, don’t wear shoes inside the house cause you know, Asians don’t do that. And I learned that Hmong people actually do wear shoes inside the house, apparently. And I thought that was interesting because it’s like, wow, like, just like you said, like there’s all types of different things in each Asian ethnic culture. And, you know, we do make jokes about, you know, Asian people don’t do this and that, but that really that simple. That simple. Tick tock. I watched about Hmong people made me feel like, wow, we’ve been joking about this for years, but it turns out we really are all different. [00:24:37][64.5]

Michelle: [00:24:38] Yeah, generalizing ourselves. [00:24:40][1.6]

Autumn: [00:24:41] I know, right? [00:24:41][0.5]

Michelle: [00:24:44] But I guess that’s the beauty of stereotypes too. Like, not that I condone stereotyping to a tee. What I’m saying is like, there is some sort of beauty, some sort of beauty that goes hand-in-hand with identifying a stereotype. But then, yeah, also seeing that you can either relate to it or you have a difference that you might want to share with the world. That’s slightly different than the. Oh, no, no, sorry. [00:25:10][26.1]

Autumn: [00:25:11] Yeah, I definitely agree with that because it can be funny if it applies, but then like. But then you realize that Asian people are not all just one general. Like, I guess they don’t all, like, do the same things. So it’s like. So it’s funny to me and it’s still, it’s still funny, but it’s also like, wow. [00:25:31][20.3]

Michelle: [00:25:32] Like, eye. [00:25:32][0.2]

Autumn: [00:25:32] Opening. Yeah, it was very eye opening. [00:25:34][1.8]

Michelle: [00:25:35] Yeah. And I feel like I felt the same way when I actually found you on my personal account. I actually don’t know how I got that because I do follow a lot of Asian content. [00:25:43][8.6]

Autumn: [00:25:44] It was filters, it was destiny. [00:25:45][1.0]

Michelle: [00:25:45] It definitely was destiny. And again, maybe maybe my Facebook ads were just listening to me talking about plushies because I mean, when I tell you like I love like when I love plushies and dolls like that, I was just like, I have to I have to message this lady. I have to message Joeydolls. And so, yeah, I mean, I think it’s not only a creative way because we’re creatives ourselves, you know, I think it’s very creative. And I think it’s a great way to teach children about diversity. Yeah. [00:26:17][31.6]

Samantha: [00:26:17] Thank you. Thank you. I’m so glad that, you know, you believe in our mission and and, you know, seeing other people have that same feedback is so encouraging because, you know, starting a new business or studying really anything, you know, you always it’s face to face with like bunch of setbacks, like people telling you, you know, you don’t have any experience in this or like it’s going to cost a ton of money and both, which are true, but both are still somehow overcoming evil in a way. So there’s always, I think, possibilities. And but it is difficult, like just being one person trying to trying to do this. And. Yeah, I appreciate your support so much. [00:27:01][44.2]

Michelle: [00:27:02] Yes. [00:27:02][0.0]

Autumn: [00:27:03] I just want to say one more thing. I’m really glad that we had this conversation because like, obviously, I’m glad to share this conversation with people. But also I feel like if I had talked to you while I was younger, like, I would have been able to feel more determined because you you said you didn’t know anything. You’ve never done this before. You know, it’s not your field of expertize. And it was difficult, but you managed to do it. When I was younger, I wanted to start like when I was 17. I loved to sing, but I wanted to learn how to play the piano and write songs. But I never learned how to play the piano because, you know, someone told me it’s kind of a bit late in the game for me to start learning how to play the piano. And, you know, that’s why I just never did that. But hearing you say there were things you’ve never done before, but now you actually have established yourself in this and it’s, you know, taking off in a way that’s reaching out to people. You’ve basically kind of proven that anything can really happen. You know, like I was just thinking, wow, this lady is like the jack of all trades. She’s like a mom and like, she’s doing this and that. [00:28:14][71.3]

Michelle: [00:28:15] Yes. [00:28:15][0.0]

Samantha: [00:28:16] Oh, your typical. [00:28:16][0.3]

Michelle: [00:28:17] And how old’s your daughter now or is it adults. [00:28:22][5.4]

Samantha: [00:28:23] Too? Yeah. So I have a just over three year old and I have a nine month. [00:28:28][5.6]

Michelle: [00:28:29] Oh, wow. [00:28:29][0.2]

Samantha: [00:28:31] Wow. So it’s also it’s like I wish I had more time. But the truth is, I’m still a mum of two very young children who I still keep at home. Especially like COVID isn’t entirely. You know, done with. So my husband and I just made the decision to keep them both at home. So most of the time it’s like chaos in the house. [00:28:53][22.7]

Michelle: [00:28:54] I can imagine and. [00:28:54][0.7]

Samantha: [00:28:55] It’s time that I get to work on the business is after they go to sleep. So it’s been a true hustle, but it’s been a huge passion and I’ve been really loving every step. But it has been difficult doing to, you know, sugarcoat it or anything. But knowing that it will reach out and hopefully help a lot of people is really what keeps me going. [00:29:18][23.0]

Michelle: [00:29:19] Yes, that’s beautiful. All right. [00:29:22][3.3]

Autumn: [00:29:23] Well, thank you very much, Samantha, again, for being here with us today, honestly. I know that you’re all the way in Canada and we’re all the way here, but we would like to, you know, just raise our drinks to you. [00:29:41][18.1]

Michelle: [00:29:41] So we have a tradition in our episode where we teach you how to cheers and Vietnamese. [00:29:46][5.2]

Autumn: [00:29:47] Yes. [00:29:47][0.0]

Samantha: [00:29:48] Yeah. Okay. [00:29:48][0.6]

Michelle: [00:29:50] So. So mob high bar means 1.3. So what high there and then yo like yo what’s up is so it’s more high value and when you put when you say yo you basically. [00:30:05][14.9]

Autumn: [00:30:05] Clean that’s like that’s basically like when you do cheers you know. [00:30:08][3.2]

Samantha: [00:30:09] Okay, okay, okay. Let’s do it. [00:30:11][1.6]

Michelle: [00:30:11] Look. Yeah, yeah. So cheers to being represented through dolls. Through dolls and, you know, going after our dreams. I feel like. [00:30:21][9.5]

Autumn: [00:30:21] No matter what stage of life you are in. [00:30:23][2.2]

Michelle: [00:30:24] That’s right. [00:30:24][0.2]

Autumn: [00:30:24] You made it possible. So we all can do. [00:30:26][1.6]

Michelle: [00:30:27] That’s right. [00:30:27][0.2]

Autumn: [00:00:00] Môt Hai Ba Vô! [00:00:00][0.0]

Samantha: [00:30:30] Know. All right. Thank you for having me. [00:30:34][4.5]

Michelle: [00:30:35] Thank you so much, Samantha. [00:30:35][0.0]


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